Yes... I read news articles and forums on occasion. People there tend to post things, like how LG is in the mix too. There have been several articles in the past year about other products in the pipeline from LG and Intel, targeting Atom and Snapdragon.

And you call me stupid? Snapdragon is Qualcomm, not ARM. It's partially based on some of the old ARM core architecture, and has a compatibility mode that lets it run some ARM binaries, but it's not at all ARM. That's like saying an Athlon is an Intel chip. In any case, there's a lot more in the package than just the processor core. Lots of that won't translate back to the N900, or the N9 for that matter.

Atom. Since it's core is pulled mainly from Moblin, which was specifically for Atom. Remember the other partner in this? Intel? They seem to think that's why they're in this:

According to Intel, MeeGo was developed because Microsoft did not offer comprehensive Windows 7 support for the Atom processor.

ARM wasn't a target for Moblin. The "big task" for Nokia was doing work to port Moblin to ARM, and more specifically to add their sub architecture and supplemental drivers.

I know quite a bit about MeeGo, and it's origins. Someone who doesn't know the difference between a Cortex and a Snapdragon shouldn't be throwing stones when they're not well versed themselves...

Pipeline = future, not past. With the exception of the N9, all those devices are finished production. I talking about what's in the pipeline, meaning what's coming in the future. Again, who's ignorant?

Most don't see them as computers in the proper sense. Most systems using ARM chips are NOT computers in a proper sense. Is an oven timer a computer? How about a shake dispenser at McDonalds, is that a computer? How about a car alarm? They all use ARM processors, but most people wouldn't consider them a computer. And yes, on this forum people may know that ARM is a type of CPU, and that it happens to be the CPU in our N900s. But most people, even those here, don't know how wide-spread the family is, or how used they are in common electronics. And those that do know that a CPU is not a "computer" in common language.

You left out "recently produced and readily available". Sorry, MeeGo porting to the FreeRunner is great and all, but there were only about 2,000 of those made. They're not available for sale any more. They're not easy to come by. Again... READ what I'm writing.

And tell me... how is a Beagleboard at all like an N9? Did you not read where I said Nokia chose the N900 because it was the closest match with it's upcoming products? Perhaps it was confusion over the term pipeline still.

*palm-face* Did you read what I wrote? Did you even bother to read it at all? Did you NOT read the part where I said, yes, Nokia paid for it, and made the obvious choice to port it to the N900 because it was the closest thing to their future pipeline?

Really? You're going to use that as an example? Who gives a flying crap about video call support on Google? LOTS of devices don't support video call. In fact, there are very few that do!

What's more, most people don't want or use video calls. They're cumbersome. Most people don't even CALL these days. It's all texting unless you're trying to call a business or and older person who hasn't gotten the gist of texting yet. I have tons of friends with iPhones, not one has made a "Facetime" call since about 2 weeks after it was rolled out, with the exception of one deaf friend who uses it to call his mother every couple weeks.

Considering the N900 was barely even sold in the US (where I'm from), pretty much nobody here using one is the "average user". We're talking about a niche device here.

You'll note, I didn't say "average user". I said "average N900 user". I'm talking about the market the device was targeted toward. The N900 (with rare exception) was not marketed to the average consumer. It was targeted at a group of tech-savy people that wanted an open-source device with few limitations. Something they could build their own apps for, and tweak to their hearts desire, without needing to side-load, or root, or hack to get basic functionality.

Or as you would say, the "average user" for the N900 "knows what ARM is". Even for people that are tech savy, MeeGo is not ready as a day-to-day replacement for Maemo. You acknowledge this, and acknowledge that that's not likely to change before it's stale, but still seem to think MeeGo is somehow the future.

TacoBell is targeting me too. They send me coupons, and advertise all over the place. They even built a location near me! Do I have to patronize every group that targets me? No.

I'm contributing here, and in other endeavors that matter more to me. If video-calls were the thing I cared about most in life, maybe I'd be working on MeeGo. But Maemo does all I wanted and more. And frankly, MeeGo has been less than impressive.

Nokia didn't contribute to MeeGoCE as an effort to release stuff for their old device. If you think that then you're really nieve. Don't fool yourself. This wasn't a benevolent act on the part of Nokia. It was a calculated move, made to further their own goals, which have since shifted drastically due to a management change that nobody saw coming.

Nokia did this because they needed a test platform before their next launch. They probably also thought that just maybe, with enough luck, they could snag some of the developers into the new camp and get some good free labor.

The N900 has a very different form factor from the N800 series, and most importantly has GSM capabilities. That drastically changes the user base (and it's size), especially in a market where "smart phones" are the big thing. I wouldn't want an N8x0. I have plenty of Intel based tablets at home, and have seen lots of other tablets, pre and post iPad. But I pre-ordered an N900... twice. What you're calling the "virtually same device" has no appeal to me. The fact that you consider them equal makes me rethink what you present as fact...


And I'm getting tired of you telling lies about what I've said, but that doesn't seem to stop you. (See more below...)

It's clear now that you don't know the history of MeeGo. MeeGo's core is based on Moblin, which was started by Intel. MeeGo (the merging of Moblin and Maemo) is essentially the Moblin core with some Maemo folded in. But you don't have to take my word for that, here, read the MeeGo FAQ, question 4:

In that regard, when the merge started (as MeeGo was being announced) there was no ARM support. Both parties blended in ARM support by folding in Maemo code and pulling Maemo resources to help convert the parts of the Moblin core that needed it to handle ARM. The question of if ARM was even going to be supported was apparently so commonly asked that it made it on the list (see question 10 of the link above).

You mean when you lie and say I said things I've never said? Oh, look, you did it again. I've never said "I meant to say". Did you do a thread search? I did... Guess what... never said it. In fact, I only said "meant" once this entire thread, and not in the context you're implying.

And by saying "you should have understood", that's the polite way to point out that you should have known something (like pipeline = future) without just coming straight out and calling you stupid. It's called tact. You should try it some time.

Ah... I see the problem now. You think you're "at war" with me. I'm just trying to have a discussion. I suppose that's why you're calling names (stupid, etc), being insulting, and repeatedly claiming I've said things I've never said. You're responding emotionally, and frankly becoming more insulting and wild by the post.

Let me know if you want to actually talk about facts again some time. Until then, have fun with abil.

Btw: Google != facts. Try Googling "Big-Foot pictures"... tons of them. So Big-Foot exists?! I can Google it.. it must be factual, right?