Oh I don't no Mike, maybe: number of iphones sold Vs android sold Vs N900 sold Vs N9s ??? Vs symbian market share Vs Nokia pushing forward with MS But that's not really what I have been driving at. All I am saying is that as a phone owner I want a supported device which I can buy in the next couple of months. I'd like it to have all the features useful to me for daily use. Most people don't require a terminal, or need to know how to write a script. Whatever replaces Symbian, well who knows, but I am open minded - when the time comes if there is a new symbian replacement it will be time to judge it on it's merits against the competition whoever or whatever that maybe. Time travel would be handy but I have seen back to the future 2!