So why exactly would one go for the 800 or 710 over the Samsung or HTC offerings?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/28/s...er-6th-releas/

That story links to an older story with more detail on the two Samsung's IIRC.
Then there's the HTC Titan and Radar....

And weird thing I've just read, is they're not even bring them to the US (Canada too?) till 2012.
Are they waiting till they have something more top-end to release with them?