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	zwer	2012-02-03 , 04:14
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Originally Posted by ossipena

You should educate yourself better. Vertu is a small cliche product and sales are counted probably in hundreds instead of billion as it is with nokias dumbphones. Somewhat describing results from WP sales are out in Q3/12, not a day earlier. And strategy changes alltogether show visible results in ~2 years (ahem iPhone)

Vertu has insanely large profit margins given that they barely spend anything on the device development - apart from the materials, I'd bet you that most of their operating costs are on marketing - they just take a vanilla Nokia, encrust it with diamonds, rubies, sapphires, gold, platinum, expensive leather... and sell it to a rich sheik or televangelist inflated for like 500% the production price.

Yes, the market for such devices is small, but the profit compared to what goes into making it is immensely large, thus bringing the question - why would you want to sell such a cash cow? Yes, it doesn't produce as much cash as the others, but it's entirely self-sustaining and at the end of the year adds what they've collected to the company's till.

Never mind that they would probably be able to sell to some of their competitors at quite a low price because of its deep ties with Nokia.

Originally Posted by gerbick

I'm not quite sure what you people expected. You're celebrating the further decline of Nokia based on their decision to support WP7... we knew it wasn't going to sell even if you did slap on a Nokia label on it. WP7 ain't selling anywhere.

And some people think it's failing because it's great...

This goes into the same bin as "the world hates USofA because of our democracy."

And even if so - karma's a biach! The way the market and consumers are ignoring them is well deserved. Too bad that due to the Elop's loony decision, they'll drag Nokia down with them. Not that Nokia didn't deserve a nice slap, too...

Originally Posted by misterc

Symbian is taken care of by Accenture now and has @ least two (major) releases (Carla & Donna) already on the works (Carla will require 1GHz CPU & Donna will support dual-core)

Carla won't require 1GHz, it's a minor update to Belle just as Anna was a minor update to the vanilla S^3. There are bug reports for Carla on E7 in the Nokia's dev list...

Originally Posted by abubakar

Maybe he somehow just believes that when in trouble, instead of innovating one should just sell himself to others. This is what they did with macromedia, which probably worked out good for them, but that is not the way for all companies.

Macromedia was not in trouble at all. They were actually cutting into Adobe's turf at the point of sale, and their assets provided Adobe with a lot of profit since then. Flash, however, suffered immensely in the process, but that's a whole other story...

Originally Posted by gerbick

The rest of your argument - Qt, et al - how many Qt devs are there out there versus Java, C/C++ and even Visual Studio developers?

Compared to Java and general C/C++, far less of course. But as it is now, I'd bet you that there are more Qt devs than Silverlight and XNA (or the ones willing work with the shaved XNA that is in WP) devs. After all, there are far more Java and C/C++ devs than C# devs even if you go with a general .NET.

Not to mention that even if Microsoft allows for native execution in WP8, I'd bet you that you'll have to use .NET-based wrappers and some WP-only APIs, thus effectively having the same restrictions as in the WP7, but with a code that can execute faster.

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