I don't remember the numbers exactly but Nokia smartphones was profitable. Always. Now it isn't. And I repeat. That's not because of WP. It's because of stupid moves. Samsung is selling the year old Galaxy S at 279 eur with an updated cpu. Where is the N8-01? It would still be the best cameraphone out there, and if you look around you'll see the price is less than 300 too for the old model. So, they could put a new case, 1ghz and sell it at 300 as a midrange phone. Yet they don't.