I'd call that a declaration of stupidity of some sorts. How can you say that I'm mixing up sales figures and market share? They're one in the same. You sell more - and there's only so many humans on the planet- then you will have more market share. Explain the fallacy in that. Where's the mistake in that? I've already attempted to explain how margins come to play. Sell less and the same margin, that equates to less income. Factors like people they employ come into play, so they released 10k employees to make up the difference. Today, they released another 4k and stopped manufacturing in Europe and Latin America to keep up their margins. And they're still selling less. How else will they raise their margins? They're paying 14k less people, manufacturing in less places; then what? You've somehow gotten yourself into a conversation about how you're right without really proving anything. So where is the mistake? Nokia sells less. Fact. Nokia makes less. Fact. Nokia has released 14k employees to save money. Fact. Nokia's stock is less now, thus they're valued less. Fact. Nokia isn't as profitable now as they were in 2007. Fact. Nokia is looking at new ways to keep their margins intact. Fact. That's all I've said ad nauseum. So please be a dear and correct me where I'm wrong.