Thread: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
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2012-02-08 , 18:20
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Market grew. But Nokia's sales did not.
They did, before the announcement. Before the announcment market share was declining but sales increased because the market grew.

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
I said sales were greater until after Elop's announcement. I've referenced that enough.
Nokia didn't ship more phones in 2011.
Exactly, hence the reason why I said you are both arguing over the same point. GrimyHR is talking about before the announcement too, but tried to correct you on the fact that sales can increase while market share drops if the market is growing, which was the case.

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Gerbick:
Let's put it this way... if your market share drops considerably, then your margins need to jump considerably - I haven't seen any proof of that yet.


GrimyHR:
you are mixing market share and sale numbers, if SALE NUMBERS fall THAN you need tu boost up your margins, and at the time nokia anounced that its killing symbian(around the time n8 was the top symbian device), even thou the market share percentage was down, the NUMBER OF SYMBIAN DEVICES SOLD WAS BIGGER THAN EVER!


gerbick:
And you're quite mistaken my friend.

Let's keep numbers simple.

I once sold something for $1.00 in a 1 million lot - so 1 million dollars, and it cost me 50 cents to make each and advertise. The margin would be 50 cents on each, so half a million would go into my pocket.

I now sell something for $1.00 in a half million lot - so half a million dollars and it still cost me 50 cents to make each and advertise. The margin would be the same, so quarter of a million would go into my pocket.
You are trying to prove that market share decrease is the same as sales decrease. This is wrong regardless of where Nokia finds itself now, but yes there actually was a sales decrease since the announcement but nobody is disputing that. GrimyHR there is no need for insults it's completely uncalled for.