Thread: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
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2012-02-09 , 21:41
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Originally Posted by erendorn View Post
forgetting that MS pays Nokia a billion a year and that they have special licence agreement (ie, less than 24$, could even be nothing at all at the beginning for what we know) is not being "conservative"
Neither is forgetting M$ get the app store and the ability to integrate Navteq data into it's products.
At the end of 2010 Ovi had revenues of $105,000,000 and was growing 719% YoY.
I don't know how you quantify what access to Navteq is worth.

With regard to the license fee in what jurisdiction was the M$/NOKIA deal signed? Under American law I believe a large corporation selling the same product to different customers at different prices is a breach of the Clayton Antitrust Act and the Robinson-Patman Act. M$ already lost a court case for that back in the late nineties didn't they?

On top of the above we have also seen evidence that M$ are going to get a 1/3 share from licensing fees for NOKIA patents, patents that predate any arrangement between NOKIA and M$.

This is a quote from evidence presented in the M$ vs Barnes and Noble case (MOSAID Technology is the company now holding thousands of NOKIA's patents):
MOSAID believes that "four of the top five global cell phone vendors" will soon require a license, and MOSAID is targeting "over a trillion dollars of unlicensed revenues" of mobile devices

M$ are going to get a 1/3 share in “over a TRILLION dollars in unlicensed revenues” when that is really due to NOKIA and the M$ contribution was absolutely nothing? Wow!


Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
1. Nokia has better contract with ms than zte
You know for a fact NOKIA will be paying less per license? Please post a link to that for us.


Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
2. You forgot the scenario that nokias smartphone platform dies (symbian/wp) and they want to stay alive as pure service company. Symbian = certain default
You can say that as many times as you like but it doesn't make it true. Show us the evidence.

The fact Symbian's sales and margins were growing (verifiable facts) and the fact Ovi was growing rapidly (verifiable fact) right up until the moment Elop made his EOL announcement tells an entirely different story. At the end of Q4 2010 (the last quarter before the Elop induced meltdown) NOKIA was selling as many smartphones as Apple and Samsung combined.


Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
3. Nokias priorities are their services on top of wp (in west), wheres the problem?
Why on top of WP when they have over a billion users of their own platforms (MeeGo/Maemo/Symbian/Series 40)? Why prioritize creating services for a platform with such a small user base?

How did it make sense to kill Symbian in order to do that anyway? The profits being generated by Symbian could have contributed to setting up any services they wanted to introduce.


Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
I beg everyone to research themselves instead of believing everything symbian fanboy say. And naturally everyone should take my writings with a grain of salt or find the sources themselves.
Oh, please don't call me a fanboy, I'm so hurt...

Oh, OK then I confess... and just for the record I'm also a Maemo fanboy, a MeeGo fanboy, a webOS fanboy and even <blush>an Android fanboy</blush>.

I'm sure even WP7 has it's charms and given time has the potential to mature into something really good but I still don't see that's any justification for Elop's willful destruction of Symbian.