I have another view at things, and wonder if we should make a device, best like the N900 that runs Maemo. This is stable, and the KDE variant would be MeeGo - like Ubuntu and Kubuntu. Then you can pick and choose, those that make applications can make them, and when we sell, it is easy to cut a deal with HTC and Samsung to provide the platform on their hardware, replacing Android. I need a project, would love to put SCADA on it. Let Nokia do what they like, including suicide, just see to that you somewhat benefit from it. It never works to try to train an old horse, and in particular to discuss and argue with it. The old horse will trott the old path, none of you have the carrot it takes to make it change.