If Nokia makes a cool geeky device that every geek loves, but the general public ignore, then Nokia is a looser? So when Nokia makes streamlined devices that sells pritty well (lumia), then they are winners?

You have to make up your minds. Get the device you want and stop being fanboys.

Samsung is the king today, but not through innovation. They only make slightly more badass products than the competition. Component vise they are untouchable though, so even if they didnt make all those badass products they would still rule.

Nokia is the innovator. 808 pureview will shine for years to come, all thanks to old fashioned innovation.