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Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
What has Nokia to do with anything of this? WE (as in, the previous councils) are the ones who created most of that. (As a concrete example, I was the one who decided to set up the updated debian squeeze toolchain on the fremantle autobuilder).
Make the criticisms concrete, put the blame were it belongs, and propose a solution.
Can't agree. Nokia is paying Nemein, who should take care of technical problems, yet, at the same time, Nokia representative (qgil) says that Nemein isn't answering for their work to Nokia!

They aren't also answering to us, so, when problems arise, we must rely on Nemein's "good will", or we can GTFO. who created that problematic situation, Nokia, or Council? I will also like to point out, that my direct question about this matter (presented in last post) was left unanswered. Thats the first example of situation, where Nokia's paying the bills leave us with hands tied and roadblocks for smooth development.
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qgil, I think Your post shows exactly, where we can have hard time "communicating". For us, Maemo/Fremantle is main target, while providing as much compatibility for Diablo&older as we can, when there is enough developers. IMO, Maemo Council is - as name suggest - *Maemo* Council. i feel no interest or need in representing Harmattan/Tizen/whatsnot, as in my - and many other people involved in discussion here - those OS'es (and devices behind it) are a step back, at best. Maybe Harmattan should get it's own Council?

I agree that it's possible to "shift"; interest to other platform, but only *if* main Community contributors will feel that it's appropriate. And, trust me on that, I'm perfectly sure, that it would be Mer and Nemo 100x time more than Harmattan/Tizen/whatever Nokia's current politic have for us.
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Of course I have no blazing idea, who will get elected in upcoming votes, yet, from my side, You can expect representing Maemo/Fremantle (including CSSU, kernel-power and similar projects) Communities, + Diablo & older when doable and appropriate. *NOT* Nokia's new toys.

Of course, ti doesn't mean that I think bad of people who are involved in both. If someone have enough time - it's fine, but in my opinion, Harmattan+ part isn't and shouldn't be of any interest for Council.

I also feel, that if election will result in choosing people with similar view for things, it'll be clear sign of Community supporting (at least by majority) such road. That's also the point, why I was so interested in having votes instead of "consensus passing" - Nokia representative that just left position for You, used to disregard SD69 election via consensus (see logs from last Council & Nokia meetings), despite fact, that he hadn't right to. Now, I'm quite sure that we're going to have council with strong Community mandate.

There is point, where we agree initially, I must admit - next 6-7 months are going to be interesting times, for sure.

/Estel
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