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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Are there any penalties for not answering inquiries from the members to the council?

I've personally seen Pali bring up some interesting things, only to see him have to reply to himself with literally no input from the council.

I think people who could be in place to assist this forum, even around Fremantle and not just Harmattan, have gone largely ignored or unanswered. Perhaps the problem exists deeper than the questions being asked.
It's quite interesting, as AFAIK Pali doesn't feel ignored (after initial and very fast explaining why Couincil wasn't able to help, due to lack of answer from X-Fade), yet *You* speak - somehow - in his name about penalties. Quite ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
You're losing credibility. Go to the CSSU "About" box. See my name? Right - does that give me the "right" to ask you to clarify?
Without any offense, I would not call you "active" CSSU developer - at least, for many months. Take my deepest excuses, if I'm wrong.

Please understand, that it's very problematic to inform (precisely) people that jump in-between, about issues that are clear and obvious to majority (or at least, interested parties). Here we end up in place, where we actually agree totally - I think proper documentation via available tools (council blog etc) is a must, and if done properly, that would make mentioned problem of informing "awakened ones" a non-existent.

Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
Define the CSSU problems. I asked this of SD69 when he started the thread proposing a TSG for CSSU. What problems is it trying to solve?

Last time I looked the problem with the CSSU was that a lot of people were standing on the side saying "this needs to happen" or "that needs to happen" but very few people were standing up and doing things (like defining stablisation processes and working to produce a stable set of packages etc.).

This seems to have somehow translated into Nokia's problem to comment on? This is entirely missing how empowered this community is. The fact that prospective council candidates seem to be searching around for someone to blame for an inevitable decline in community participation is worrying.

Instead of looking to the past and trying to find someone to pin problems on, look to the past to identify the cause, suggest a remedy and if that's not feasible (fewer users => fewer testers, for example; packages passing QA thresholds after the maintainer's given up) find workarounds. Most of all, find a way to enthuse people and provide opportunities for people to get involved.
There was a (quite long) period of time (2 or 3 times), where CSSU was in stall, despite hving *tons* of code ready for testing - just because one person went off-line, and CSSU team nor council had tools to pass maintainership into someone's else hands. *Of course* there was a simple solution, yet, it would require X-Fade cooperation, and he was - it's tempting to say "as always" - not contactable.

Now CSSU problem is semi-fixed - MAG created way for other people from CSSU to send files as him - yet, it isn't solution per se. Would not work, if he had been hit by a bus, instead of jsut disappearing.

Your lack of information about all of those issues reinforce my statement, that you doesn't seem to be active CSSU developer for now. Again, no offense meant here - I still agree, that there should be (and for that, we have tools) a way to precisely document issues, and inform people about them, no matter if they were absent for week or for a 6 months.

/Estel

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Originally Posted by timoph View Post
Those are all just matters of opinion that vary from a person to another. And I do know the differences since I own all the devices from 770 to n9. Besides what I meant by the transition is that a newer hardware comes and more and more focus is on it and the users of the older hardware feel abandoned. In some cases rightly so but that's how these things go.
Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
My god, it's deja vu all over again!

People said exactly the same about the N900. No proper kickstand? Dealbreaker. No d-pad? Dealbreaker. The N900 is a total step backwards compared with the N810 or N800.
It;s not a matter of new vs old, or lack of kickstand - we're talking about real code-side problems. Fortunately, sometimes, even people who have received N950 see that and keep focusing on more capable device (see Nicolai), which of course doesn't prevent them from "playing with a new toy" - and that isn't bad thing.

Yet, I agree with freemangordon, that it's hardly a place for repeating the same discussion again and again. Someone think N9(50) is better? Fine. But understand basic thing:

We (Community around kernel-power/CSSU and similar Fremantle projects) are *NOT* going to transfer into Nokia's current new devices/OS'es.

We love to cooperate with Harma+ devs, and no one said that they should GTFO from here - yet, our "upstream" roads are totally different, and focusing infrastructure on Harma+ is a no-go for us. If forced to, we would do our best to separate (without hostility) and maintain ourselves on our own. We will be very happy, if there won't be a need for that.

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