At this point, I don't think you can spell out how much Nokia is losing right now, but certain jack*****es will never understand this, subsidies are subsidies. If I were to sell someone a Hyundai for a dollar, they would take it over a BMW that is selling at $200. The Hyundai will work fine, but I would still rather have the BMW. Also, I am hoping the admin here ban Lumiaman, since his/her/its posts don't bring anything to the table on any of the discussions he/she/it has trolled on throughout Maemo.org. Ban him/her/it please.