So, you're telling us that it was run by serious people with under-the-hood knowledge of the software, instead of marketing clowns with bling and hypnotoad knowledge... ...and that is supposed to be a bad thing, somehow? As long as Intel is involved, I'm less than optimistic that it'll ever come something concrete out of this... But it's still a chance for this. Meltemi on the other hand, I bet it's going to be pretty locked down as it's supposed to replace S40. Not holding my breath there.