I thank you very muchly michaaa62, that helped a lot

It appears as though I did find them before but I see where I was going wrong, TMO will only send messages to the sent box if I click on the "save messages to sent" when composing a message. I only have the few in there that I checked previously.

So I am left to ask the general TMO public, does anyone know why this is not selected by default? And if it was to be left uncheck, do you not think it would be better placed before the send message button and not several lines further down the page?

Thanks again michaaa62