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	danramos	2012-05-31 , 07:12
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris

So how you u hndle the negative result every Q? How would you handle the value of the company?

You know you can't go on with the costs of all the things you have today??

I think I already put it quite succinctly but I'll restate it for you: Whilst your company continues to develop a new direction, don't undercut your current source of income by undermining it--at least not until your NEW platform is selling and supporting your enterprise well enough for you to detach from your current sources of income." Elop = stupid schmuck

Originally Posted by gosh

Do you mean that linux is closed source? MeeGo Harmattan is based on linux. And you can't compare operating systems with applications

Key words that you used: based on Linux. Open-core software (i.e. based-on Linux systems) include things like Cisco routers, Tivo (famously! Since they were the ones that the coined term 'tivoization' came from), and of course... Nokia's Maemo). Perhaps you should try reading up on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_core BTW: This is also the reason why GPLv3 came into existence--thanks to things like Nokia's Maemo. Nice.

Originally Posted by qgil

Just a reminder for the R&D discussion: the partnership with Microsoft is an important part of the Nokia strategy but there is more. See http://www.nokia.com/global/about-no...t-us/about-us/

Oh my God. Tell me you didn't just do that.

Did you just deliver a shameless PR-style statement with a bunch of words that literally meant nothing at the end? The vast majority here will flatly disagree with your statement AND you didn't even take a moment to explain it. Would you like me to take pieces of various posts explaining why people might disagree with your overt PR statement? THAT I can do. Oh... that I can do.

I am danramos.. don't even think I can't. heheh

Although, it was good for a laugh--here I see you talking about how MS is an important strategy for Nokia (hrr hrr!) and how there's MORE... so I follow the link and there's this big complicated mess of artwork that hits you in the face first-thing. It was... so appropriate.

Also, doesn't saying what you said pretty much invalidate everything you stand for as the open-source evangelist at Nokia, nevermind Nokia's past similar statements about other "strategies" which have come and gone with varying degrees of failure so far? Just saying.

Originally Posted by qgil

It's nothing else than the Nokia Strategy as explained after feb11: Nokia Windows Phone, Next Billion, Future Disruptions.

How's that workin' out for ya so far? I'll bet Nokia's home country is LOVIN' those numbers, right? How's about all those numbers that got laid off! Mmmm... LOVIN' that new strategy, I'll bet! Customers LOVE it when they hear about massive layoffs at a manufacturer. They LOVE it!

Originally Posted by qgil

I'm not discussing beliefs, only reminding that Nokia has R&D teams working to make that strategy successful in all fronts.

Right then! Not discussing beliefs! Let's see those numbers! How's Nokia performing so far since that Microsoft deal? How's profits? Shares? Sales? Devices sold? Let's not leave anything up to the imagination lest we leave it up to what people want to believe!

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

I don't believe him either.
His use of English also makes me doubt that he's really American.

I could be wrong, but I don't think "hombre" is an English word.

Originally Posted by gerbick

There are more than just the Swipe UI and the browser that's closed. And they use open source components... not cool. I think people need to understand more when they say open source and pertaining cellphones, it's conditional and limited.

Spot-on, man. Very spot-on. People here are acting like they've never heard of closed-source drivers and applications tied to the OS. There are threads on here going back many years complaining about how impossible it is to replace the close-source applications to make room for open-source replacements without ravaging and corrupting the operation of the rest of the operating system. Your statement is right spot-on.

Originally Posted by SamGan

Whatever vision and strategy Elop is talking about is crab. Nokia's agreement with Microsoft effectively locks them into a Windows Phone only strategy. Microsoft's anti-competitive, monopolistic attitude will take care of that. This a company which believes the best way to take care of competition is not to be better than them but to force them out of the market by foul means. As an example, Windows 8 will lock out other browsers except IE. It comes as no surprise that Elop has to kill Symbian and MeeGo for this partnership with Microsoft.

Agreed--and this is what most people think of when they think of the "Windows" brand name on a phone, fair or not:

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