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Originally Posted by qgil View Post
danramos, it is actually not fair to expect that your business related questions to Nokia will be answered to you here in maemo.org. If you have any chance it would be in Nokia Conversations, or better as accredited media asking directly to Nokia spokepersons. But you know that, so why still pushing the few Nokia employees (for how long, nobody knows) here?
Perhaps because I felt it is relevant in this thread. You volunteered the earlier comments to which I had to ask the questions about how they're turning out. It's not fair to pose the points and then quell the questions about them. You know very well that you're effectively directing me to send criticism and questions to /dev/null and it's a subtle way to tell someone to censor themselves. But you know that, right, qgil? So why try so hard to keep the community from asking questions you don't like but that effect them and Maemo's own future? With Nokia grinding on SO HARD with this Microsoft partnership, the dwindling numbers (employees, funding, etc.) will surely effect Maemo.org and other related topics. Questions like "How is that partnership is working out?" seems to be a fair question in this thread. Don't you think so?

Originally Posted by qgil View Post
My maemo.org work consists of bringing the 2012 Device Program to completion and help finding the best transition for the maemo.org infrastructure funding and ownership. My personal opinions about the Nokia stock are manifested in my 401k investments.
Sounds like: closing off ties to the Maemo.org community so they can get stuck with an operating system they can't upgrade against the very open-source that Nokia decided to use. Just the same, good luck. As for the way you worded your sentence about your "personal opinions"--are you implying that your 401K investments are entirely based on Nokia stock? I'm pretty sure you don't want to answer any questions about your personal 401K, so I'm not sure (once again) why you bring it up here as a point of conversation.

Originally Posted by qgil View Post
And that's all I have to say in this thread. If you want to discuss productively about maemo.org I'll see you at the on-topic threads.
I see what you did there with "productively." Subjective qualifiers so you can avoid the difficult questions about bad decisions Nokia has made? Nice wordplay, corporate-speak.

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Waiting for any company to save us is sheer folly. Case in point, Nokia.
Man, I can still remember all the times users here would say, 'I wish it could support xxxxx! Aw well, it's open... Nokia will eventually include support, since Linux supports it!' ...and waiting... and waiting... aaaand then the next device comes out and we're kicked to the curb.

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
HA you will never get anything out of him as he was only a front man for Nokia to get everyones hopes up on this community then nothing ever comes of it.

I don't like him i never have because i dislike crap talk and i make no secret of it, he has never done anything real but spout hopes that never happened.
As I understood it, he's not a front-man (I'm assuming you meant a PR guy). I thought he was just another techie at Nokia working with Maemo as an open-source evangelist. I think it might be unfair to label him as nefarious--I just think the company puts the Maemo employees into very unfortunate positions--especially if they liked Maemo. Nokia executives and management never seemed to treat that platform and its employees with much respect.

The community that loves Maemo really should be haranguing Nokia itself about it. I, on the other hand, have no dedication to brand and I seek out whatever platform will give me what I want. At one point, it WAS Maemo and I still think it could have the most potential--far more than Windows Phone will turn out to have. Right now, it appears to be Android that satisfies my needs the best but I'll jump that ship to someone else's platform just as easily as I jumped off of Maemo if I see someone else doing a better job. I get the impression that Nokia doesn't care what customers want and instead decided to declare what customers should love just because they are Nokia. Nah.. I'll just sit over here, shaking my head in disappointment over the wasted potential, and just watch to see if anything interesting happens.

Originally Posted by Rugoz View Post
I don't think its possible for nokia to introduce anything disruptive independent of MS in the near term anyway, they don't have the resources to back it.
But, by qgil's own admission, they do. He kept repeating that nebulous 'future disruptions' phrase and saying something about an abundance of patents. Surely, an abundance of patents is a clear indicator of a company innovating their products. Right?

Originally Posted by Rugoz View Post
Although I still have faith that nokia could not have been that stupid if they didn't expect a major shakeup in the industry in a few years. Assuming they were sure to survive until then
Surely, Nokia couldn't have been that stupid!

FAITH! You gots it!
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