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Originally Posted by wolke View Post
woody: things that are insulting that need to be said still need to be said; you cant have democracy without it
And I take no issue with that. But when someone says what you've said was insulting, don't deny it. To say one isn't demanding explanations when one, just posts before, did just that is silly.

There are better ways to say you disagree with some of the choices. And you can do so without insulting those who were awarded devices.

Originally Posted by wolke View Post
my list of grievances for this contest:
1&2> The criteria was not selected by the Council. It was handed to us by Nokia with the criteria in place. If anything, Council added transparency by putting in place a submission mechanism and documenting those submissions. Do you think adding a "here's why we did/didn't choose this member" section would have caused less strife, arguing, and ill will?

3> Again, the criteria was that Council would decide, which was handed to us as part of the competition. How should it have been decided? Open discussion on an IRC channel? Do you think there was a way to do this publicly that would have lead to less argument, strife, and ill will? I'd love to hear it if you have a suggestion...

Actually, I'd love to hear it if you could go back in time and tell me before it started, since now it's a little late... The rules, criteria, and selection mechanism were all public and on the wiki well over a month ago.

For all the people that are now suddenly so concerned about it, nobody mentioned any issues until after the competition was over.

As for 4>, I will not comment on that other than to say for my own reasons I did not submit my name as an entrant.

Those fact that Council members were running though was again quite public. All submissions were public, and documented, and with the first entrant being a Council member, it's not like that concept was an unknown. There was even a Q/A session with Quim in an open, logged Community Council meeting about this very topic.

Complaining about your team losing the day after a tournament is all fine and good. But if you want to have an effect on the outcome, you needed to act a month ago. Complaining now would be like submitting an entry now and demanding we evaluate it against the current list. Pointless...
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