hmm, i read the tmo part about council participating, first Estel said it's reasonable not to, but than he claimed that maillist is better place and that TMO would have drama, after that he selectively answered to one user assuming him a troll. Nice way of an official response. And if complainigs were made and even other part wouldnt mind of them to put themselves, it should be decided not to. And not choosing the part of what suits you more.

btw who is answering to this argument with "and who are you" or "you are noobie" is smart enif to change the flow or contra attack, but it's not fight, we deciding some important point of community, and i think noobies and other memvers dont have to be award nominated to tell their opinion and it shouldnt be personal, i'm trying not to be. As well as i for example is a maemo member for a while, so u cant judge by posts and karma. Another example is rzr with huge work and ports but only few thanks, he doesnt search glory, but just do his work. So please let's not make it personal.