Estel, nice responses, if you got personal allow me too. But just before i want to point out, that it's not voluntary you talking about, as right you on't have for anybody anything, but no one forced you to volunteer, so don't tell how good you are coz you just did. It's simple, you do not volunteer just to say you did and how helpful you are and so on, than all your points why council exists are wrong.

As well i don't need to explain why i didn't read maillist, or all TMO announcements or wasn't on maemo meeting. It's like telling, if no one see i can do steal that car. No it's not right, and in your country people don't have to check on policemen to be sure they do right thing, untill those corrupted. It's not my laziness, it's your ego. I don't have to check on council to know that they do right things, otherwise it's a sad story if i do. And no, there are more than 4 people as you mentioned.

But the most amazing thing is with all your long posts i can't see a straight answer. Why you judged and took the phone? It is against all rules from child games to real competitions. Or let's make next Olympic to be judged only by 3 countries: Russia, USA and China =) But you always turn it if council deserve it, i don't know and i don't care if they do, i'm just telling if you volunteer to do something, don't run away from it. You wanted to be council and important man so much that you didn't considered what actual responsibilities you'll have . And maybe you contributed to community, but srsly i don't know who you are and what useful you did. So if you judge else people, don't choose other councillors who actually may do things, tell us what you did and hw cool you are. And don't tell me i just don't write why those deserve more than that person, as you do, attacking and comparing people that politely started this conversation(most of them). I hope you'll try to at like that if you get a job representing big company, you''ll be fired next day.

And you know what, karma is a b1tch, if you get this device, than it just make you cheaper person, and you know what, with this action more and more people will leave community, those who just don't say anything, but do things. Thanks itsnotabigtruck got involved, though i don't think he did want, he just understand one thing, it's hard to talk objective when you are one on the list and people say he deserves, but i know he less care about phone, he just care of the point how the council that should represent community just take from community.

And i do have respect for few among councils, but it doesn't matter now, as i think the was huge mistake made and they not helping to fix it, they just working as team. it's good but not now. Like woody said himself the reason why he didn't participate on one hand, but he protects those who went with opposite way he choose.