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Originally Posted by specc View Post
You are mixing two things, running/owning a company and investing your money in the stock market. If the main investors at Nokia simply was looking for a place to invest their money, they would be out a long time ago. Clearly they have other objectives. That objective is a genuine one, and it is to make Nokia a healthy company in the mobile industry, a top world wide producer of phones and services.

You can compare it to F1 racing, another multi billion industry. You can bet on the teams (stock market), you can do commercials, media, arrange races. There is a whole lot you can do, and last but not least, you can invest in a team as the main investor, be the financial backbone of a F1 team. Typically they are are car manufacturers, but they can be anything, and several are pure private companies doing nothing but racing. The only reason to do this, is because you have a passion for F1 racing. It's the same thing with the main Nokia investors, they have a passion for the mobile industry, or simply a passion for Nokia. A main investor wouldn't just quit because the team have a few bad seasons, not even if the team is in a steep down hill run, he would commit even more until they manage to turn it around or death is certain.

The private initiative and enterprise is king. The bean counters in the stock market means nothing, they are playing a whole different game.
Passion and politics, I get that investment isn't always about money. Being one of very few in Europe also helps Nokia.
I don't expect the major stakeholders to give up either if it's their jobs on the line. I didn't mix up the two though, I used the term stakeholder and specifically mentioned earlier "that is if you are in it for the profit". You mentioned them as big investors, not those who own/run the company so I asked you to clarify what you mean by the term "big investor".

Still, for Nokia employees, passion means nothing if you have a costly hobby that somebody else is funding. It's actually mostly the major investors you mention that do not care for "passion". Just look at your own example of F1 if maemo itself wasn't enough. The Jaguar F1 team (no longer exists). Ford was the big investor behind that team. Ford did not want to invest in the Jaguar team anymore because it was costly and they received no direct advertising. The "owners"/employees of that team became Red Bull Racing, its "big investor" changed as did the team name, it was now Red Bull.

If you wish you can get into the philosophy of what "Nokia" actually is. The name? the people behind the product? The big investors? Highly passionate companies do go under every day, or their names or investors may change but clearly the people behind it do not die when the company name does. If that's what you are saying then you are stating the obvious.

Nokia don't even seem passionate to me anyway so I'm not sure why you even mention it. They are clearly a prime example of "profit at any cost" (oxy*****?). Job cuts and killing their own products (maemo/meego) doesn't scream "passion", it screams CFO trying to get out of the red.

Edit: wow, oxystupid censor has gone too far.

Last edited by Cue; 2012-07-09 at 09:08.