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Originally Posted by Estel View Post
Well, I tried to settle this thing in transparent, clear, and civil way.
No, you didn't. You tried to again muddy the waters of a meeting with personal drama. I and the other Council (and even one observer) rejected you trying to do so. There was no collaboration, nor "secret messages" involved. I for one was just tired of the game playing and felt it had no place in the meeting.

I had full intention of writing a reply to you. But your post (16:40 UTC) was not something I could reply to before 18:00 UTC, and not something I wanted to deal with in a live forum like IRC during important business. Nor was it more important than my day job (I'm EDT, so that's 12:40pm and 2pm respectively, my time.)

Originally Posted by Estel View Post
FYI: I've also tried to talk about it with other Councilors privately, during last week, to no avail.
This speaks for itself.

To clarify: You consider talking to Councilors privately to bolster your side of an argument as OK. But...

Originally Posted by Estel View Post
I can only imagine amount of peer-to-peer, murky discussions between other Councilors, as it's hard to believe such coordinated lack of reply as coincidence (and even if so, it would mean even worse about Council integrity and Councilors moral side).
You then assume (incorrectly) that the rest of Council is doing so about you, and say it shows a lack of integrity and morals? Do you not see the conflict or hypocrisy in these two statements? You accuse others of acts only you have done, but condemn only others for it.

Let me be crystal clear about this: For the past month or so through my reading this post, I've had no private communications with the other Council members. All messages were either on the Council ML (for all Council to see), in public posts, or in logged IRC channel meetings. Frankly this past week, I've been quite busy catching up with my actual job, after being on vacation last week.

Originally Posted by Estel View Post
What is important, is that it definitely doesn't allow healthy collaboration on place where it should be happening most - Community Council.
There is a great amount of collaboration happening. You've simply been too busy picking petty fights and causing drama than involving yourself in efforts to help the community.

As for "trust" in the current Council, I ask anyone who is bothered by things said here to review the meeting minutes, not just of the last meeting when it's posted (raw IRC log is here), but of all the published minutes. Hopefully you will see the Council acting in the community's best interest, with the possible exception of one member.

In some ways, I'm sad that Estel chose to leave. Sadder still that he did so with a typical venomous "good bye" post we've seen here on TMO all too often. But then to leave because someone did not want to reply to a post on TMO or IRC within a 2 hour time window, on a non-critical topic, smells to me of someone looking for an excuse to leave.
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