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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Idiot proof? There's dumbing things down and then there's WP7. I know, it's ironic because I've stated that I actually like WP7 (me stupid, har har) but even I know that compared to the geek-fest of Linux lovin' the N900 was, and to a much lesser extent the N9, folks here don't want an idiot proofed device.

They want control. You're preaching to a group that is not the standard Nokia buyer. Most here are developers, nerds, geeks and combinations therein.

You want to preach about how WP7's ecosystem is a good one? I beg to differ. Compared to iOS and Android, it's still lacking key elements from top ranked 3rd party support that just has yet to appear. And it's a very closed, very walled garden of isolation that requires you to fall into a less open playing field than even iTunes.

Maemo was not a contender. MeeGo could have been one if Nokia and Intel were on the same page. WP7/WP8 should be a contender, but it invariably will not be one either. So far, Microsoft has had almost 3 years to do something with WP7. Nothing happened. So they deadend the devices sold, say that WP8 will be better.

Sorry, but that's what Nokia did with Maemo. It didn't work out too well for them and that lead to MeeGo gaining very little traction. Intel's moved on to Tizen, which cannot be upgraded from MeeGo, so yet again you have a string of devices that rely on customer faith.

None exist for Microsoft. Less is existing for Nokia per day. Your "better ecosystem" mantra has yielded the most severely limited ecosystem out there. Better than Maemo/MeeGo? Only if you like being limited even moreso than the other mobile OS's out there, then yeah... success?

I know you've relegated yourself to resident troll, but seriously dude. Even from a person that uses a Lumia 900 daily, I feel the restrictions of that ecosystem the moment I use my Android tablet or iPad. I feel even more restricted when I travel overseas and I carry my Nokia N9. I can - via a free tweak - turn on wifi tethering and get my iPad on. Had to do so while at stuck at the airport. Can't do that without having to pay for it on my Lumia 900. Screw that...

That's just one thing. There's many more. But what you're spouting, you cannot believe all of it yourself. I know better.

I know who hangs here, and these are the 0.0001% fringers that will not make Nokia money. Hence, what people want on this forum is in many ways selfish, as ordinary man and woman don't want it. Most people will pay rather than learn how to tether using a tweak that they have no idea how to implement. You know that just as well.
Nokia needs to make money. Meego will never cut it, it was beta at release time. Elop saw WP8 as a way to cut thru the incompetence of Nokia in creating what masses want. Hey, I thought that N900 was beautiful, still is. But it requires toooo much tweaking for an average person. People want the device to work out of the box. They got jobs to do , presentations to make, kids to drive to school. They don't want to deal with Xterminal to fix their problems. That is why I sold my three N9s. I gave them away to others and unanimously friends returned them, for all the complaints listed by many here.

Nokia is not a software company. They can't compete with the Sillicon Valley. It's over. In terms of software they are a second division team.
So what is left do Nokia? All I hear here is Elop hate. It's misdirected, shallow and myopic. Elop has to produce profit with a company that can't make software for the masses.

Give solutions here, not just Elop bashing diatribes.