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jalyst	2012-09-22 , 03:56
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Originally Posted by woody14619

In order for this to proceed, legal papers must be filed, and must be in place before work can start. We noted several times, both in the bylaw threads, the Ask the Council thread, the meetings, and even in one of the drafts of the bylaws themselves, that we would need to nail this stuff down by the 17th at the latest. As things are, delays moved that to yesterday.

Yes & I was well aware that you had noted that, but what you didn't note in the by-law & ask-the-council (at least I think, haven't followed it heavily) thread is WHY this was imperative.
I asked several times if there could be any sort of leeway, as even if I had started the poll after a wk of feedback, we didn't know what sort of trend would arise, and how long the poll may need etc.

The filings are underway, and the paper trail started. If we had put off filing any longer the paperwork would not be completed and filed with the proper offices by the time the elections finished. As it stands, it's likely there will be a delay between the Board being elected and it being able to actually actbecause of paperwork delays that have already happened.

Now this is a central piece of info. that would've taken all of 5-mins to explain in the thread way, way, back.
We were being told as early as the 11th that it was "too late", but we were not being given any explanation beyond that.

Changing the organizational name after the filings are in place is possible, it just costs money to do so. There's also the option of adding a name, like a DBA (Does Business As), which will probably be the easier thing to do. For that reason, I say let the poll take it's course. We can always add or adopt a new name.

Again, another thing that was asked countless times, I'm guessing you guys finally covered all this in the meeting? Thank-you!
Does that mean we can now take our time & add some extra names, because some users have already expressed annoyance that none of the candidates are suitable.
Plus there is already some question over whether we can use some names, including Hildon, so they may have to be removed.

As for "just waiting 6 more days", tell me: How do you think Nokia and others will react to the Board when it says "Sorry, we can't negotiate with you for another 6 days because of filing delays from when we were deciding on a name"? That's pretty sad.

Again, stemming from not knowing your 2nd paragraph above...

It's also mildly frustrating to push for something for several months, only to have someone object to something at the very last minute, and demand more time to resolve it. Especially when after noting we have limited time, it took over a week to commit to doing a poll, and two more days to revised the OP, review that, and start the poll! For what? So we'd see the results point to the original choice?

Within a wk of the thread starting it was already being suggested that it could not proceed, many questions where asked from that point for clarification, zilch.
So from that point on I remained in limbo as to what to do, as I could never get any straight answer.
After no response for about another wk & constant pressing by others, I decided to properly compose the OP, allow another 34hrs for revisions/input, & then start the poll.
And there was no clear indication throughout the course of the thread that Hildon would be the most popular choice.
In fact, I'd say Aeolos (or one of it's variants) would probably have had a stronger showing than it is, if it wasn't being split between Aeris.
But Aeris was a suggestion with at least some explanation, so I was bound to also include it in the Poll.

You say we didn't communicate this, but we have. We've been talking about this for months. It's been on the Mailing List, it's been in the weekly IRC meetings, it's been in the Blog posts of those meetings, and in the TMO posts related to that. We even made additional posts, and had moderators make them sticky to increase their visibility. I ask you, what more would you prefer we had done? Send you a personal invitation to comment on each thing we've discussed via a PM or e-mail? It's not like this was in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory, with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'.

Oh please, I'm not intensely following every single iota of community progress over the past 6mth or even 3mth, that's why you're a Councillor & I'm not.
I have been following the relevant threads closely though, & constantly posting questions asking councillors to clarify themselves, & PM'ing the odd councillor, I think that's enough.
It wasn't like councillors were too busy elsewhere, there was always at least one actively partaking here, but critical posts were constantly missed -bizarrely enough.

Sorry... But you need to take some responsibility for this on yourself. Democracy requires of it's constituency a very minimal amount of effort to stay informed about what's going on. If you don't expend that minimal effort, it's hardly fair to complain about it.

That's just it, I very well did, I was well aware of what was happening in theory, I was simply trying the whole time to get some feedback on whether things could be modified somewhat, as we clearly were going to be too pressed for time.
It took so long to get any sort of feedback that I eventually just had to proceed regardless, by then it was ridiculously late, but i figured maybe with some direct dialogue in the next meeting, we could FINALLY sort something out.
I readily concede I could've/should've just pushed ahead after the 1st wk instead of letting it drag well past the 2nd, but I was not operating in a vacuum, I was trying to get answers but hitting a brick wall.

Last edited by jalyst; 2012-09-23 at 09:11. Reason: typo

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