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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
I asked several times if there could be any sort of leeway, as even if I had started the poll after a wk of feedback, we didn't know what sort of trend would arise, and how long the poll may need etc.
And I said more than once that the 17th would be the end of the line, time frame wise. FYI: The central piece of info you noted was talked about several times, including in two separate Council meetings, as someone at the meeting asked that exact question.

Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
Does that mean we can now take our time & add some extra names, because some users have already expressed annoyance that none of the candidates are suitable.
Suitable for whom? Others have liked some of the other names proposed, but the number of people "annoyed" by the Hildon name, to my knowledge right now, is two. One is you, and as I recall there was one other in this thread that dislike it.

As for adding names, that will be for the next Board to decide on. As custodians (until the 12th) I don't see using funds to add a DBA as an appropriate use, since we still don't even know how much funding we'll have, and what we'll need to keep the lights on yet.

As for other groups having the same name: Often the only time this is a conflict is when one goes after the other for using their name. Legally the challenge has to be made, and upheld in court, that a reasonable person could confuse the two groups or think one is a sponsor of, or endorsement of the other. For example the Apple Record company going after Apple Computer over the bitten-apple logo. In this case, since the other "Hildon Foundation" is a municipal water company, I don't think it's going to be an issue.

Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
Many questions where asked from that point for clarification, zilch.
So from that point on I remained in limbo as to what to do, as I could never get any straight answer.
You asked questions here, and in PMs, and we did reply to most of them. Some of them we had to consult others on, since frankly some things were items we did not know. (I, for example, was unsure if NFP groups could file a DBA.) Plus, frankly, we were a little busy with 8,000 other things, like trying to create a legal entity, get the CC elections underway, and get things setup for the next election. And frankly, given the importance of those items, vs a discussion about naming, they won.

Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
Oh please, I'm not intensely following every single iota of community progress over the past 6mth or even 3mth, that's why you're a Councillor & I'm not.
Nobody is asking you to follow ever detail. But would it kill to read a 15 line summary once a week? Nobody is demanding you take part in every discussion or read every detail. Just browsing at the weekly summary, 30 seconds of reading (60 for non-native readers maybe) would keep you up to speed on what's going on.

And before you say you don't have time for it: It took you longer to read this reply than it would have for you to read the summary of the last meeting.

Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
That's just it, I very well did, I was well aware of what was happening in theory, I was simply trying the whole time to get some feedback on whether things could be modified somewhat, as we clearly were going to be too pressed for time.
The problem wasn't that you weren't being answered. You already acknowledged that we stated (once to you directly in the other thread) that the cut-off date was quickly approaching. And on the name-change topic, I told you earlier that names were not that important. (Remember by analogy about arguing the color of the light bulb while an electrician is outside turning off the power?)

The end result of all of this is that this has been in the work for several months. Your "annoyance" at the name popped up in the last week or two before things had to be finalized, when things more important and far more permanent, were happening.

Would it have been great to have a poll for the name 3 months ago? Sure. Initially we were going with Maemo Community until that was shot down by Quim over trademark issues. It was discussed in Council meetings, and put into the first draft of the bylaws months ago though, and nobody complained, until a couple weeks ago.

Frankly, the name is really not at all significant. It will be used in a few legal agreements, and that's about it. We've spent hours here, over something that will be used probably about 30 times in the next 3 years, by a dozen people or so at most.

Meanwhile, of all the people commenting here, only a couple have bothered to even read the bylaws, and comment on them. You know, the thing providing structure, governance and the mission of this foundation? Tell me: Which is more important? The name of a group, or the structure and mission of the group?

Now you'll excuse me... I have to go see about twisting some arms to run for Council, as the deadline on that is coming up this Friday, and we have to date 0 candidates. You remember Council, right? The group doing all this work to keep things going, while others sit around criticizing them for doing what they were voted in to do...
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