@lumiaman, Now you are becoming repetitive, I haven't seen anyone on here even vaguely showing themselves as a Nokia hater. On the contrary the only person I see stating that is you. I am sure everyone here on this Maemo forum only wishes Nokia to succeed but since Nokia has turned its back on Maemo supporters like myself then I have absolutely no idea why you still remain here? I see you as nothing more than a vaguely amusing distraction from an otherwise fairly reasonable discussion about Maemo's former companies missteps as reflected in the share price as they flounder in the Microsoft mire. rgds