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switch-hitter	2012-10-21 , 10:57
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Huh? Either you have the ability to fulfill the demand of a growing market are you cannot. The factors around that ability boils down to pure sales. Either you have the sales or you do not. And within a growing market, you're to have growth.

It didn't happen for Nokia. It happened for Apple (newcomer) and Android (newcomer). It didn't also happen for BlackBerry (established player).

It DID happen for NOKIA, they DID have growth. 36% year on year is very healthy growth, especially considering the enormity of NOKIA. I have not seen any evidence to suggest they would not have continued to enjoy growth if they hadn't exclusively adopted an OS that was a proven failure in the market place.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Have to ask if you mean high glamour means iPhone or Vertu.

iPhone. It was pretty and slick (even if somewhat limited), NOKIA's devices on the other hand were utilitarian.

Originally Posted by gerbick

The N8 depended upon the camera and not much else during a time where more was expected. Same for the 808.

Quite so, and the N8 was a big improvement on what went before, at least it finally got a GPU. NOKIA's problem was hardware desirability not software capability.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Nokia was in all of those markets quite comfortably for ages.

Their margins tell a different story, they were not selling devices with razor thin margins until they adopted WP7. Last two quarters we've had gross margins of 1.7% and (3.5)% respectively, so they are now giving away handsets at less than the cost of components and assembly, never mind sales, administration and marketing expenses.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Growing sales, that had either peaked, or were going to plateau. We'll never know now.

Where's the evidence they had peaked or plateaued? Seriously, I'd like to see it.

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