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#62
Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
You just won't be content, will you? I could have appointed no one and continued on as the only Director while special elections languished (because there is no working election process in place). That would have been bad. So instead I appointed two people, including the one requested by Ivan and Maemo Community Council. And then you turn around and complain that I made the appointments... Please move on.
What really makes me wonder...
You find the last hidden tiny catch in the bylaws, but then again you completely miss to grok the core statement in plain english text, where from comes this strange difference in capabilities?
Not a single word in qwazix' post criticized your appointment of Jim or Woody, it's the very way how you argue and put your rationale that we criticize. And your answer been the best example.

[edit] When this obscure appointment of MCC "for daily maemo business" by HiFo BoD was made and you joined that meeting, are you sure the other two BoD members were on same page as you regarding the implications and meaning of that decision? Or did you consult them to phrase that decision and meeting minutes in such a way that everybody thought HiFo did the right thing while now you claim MCC never been meant to be a HFC? Or was it maybe like that: Appointing MCC as HFC was *exactly* what been decided in that meeting, but somebody wrote the meeting minutes in a way so they were ambiguous to the point of no recognition. Who wrote the meeting minutes?

And one more point I honestly like to get explained by you since I really suck at reading extremely long and infested with lawyer speech bylaws but I know you know them by heart: WHAT (except for calling elections of both bodies) is the exact purpose and duty of the postulated/assumed Hildon Foundation Council, if we'd take it as a 3rd entity besides BoD and MCC? Has such entity any meaning and rationale besides a Maemo Community Council? And has a BoD any legitimity without any such "higher instance" that could call a big reset when stuff goes awry? For me it's clear that HFC is the controlling instance (or call it judge) of BoD, to guarantee that BoD behaves. This purpose it completely moot when BoD appoints HFC at own discretion, just as they feel it helps their own plot.

To me it seems we should maybe ask those who wrote the bylaws and those who decided on that BoD meeting that you quote so often, what it actually was they thought they wrote and decided. After all in real life the meaning of a written statement depends also on the notion and context in the mind of the writer, and what they communicate to the recipients on sidebands not to be found in the written text itself - this determines a lot how others understand that text. In all honesty not only all 3 current MCC members but also authors of the bylaws and former BoD and council members (of this term) expressed their take on it that MCC been appointed by BoD for HFC. One of them is even one of your BoD peers, so even BoD itself isn't unanimous about whether MCC=HFC or not. Now you bash us (MCC) for not complying with your way to read things and spit poison that we were a rogue bunch who wants to seize power. :-/ No, Rob, we don't want to seize power, we want to hand all power back to community, that's why we (MCC/HFC) called elections of both bodies, also containing a first draft of the election rules. You not supporting this move in every possible way you can is not the right way, please rethink.


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Last edited by joerg_rw; 2013-04-15 at 17:09.