So, here are a few ideas.

A. There are industrial strength PIMs that a business exec would use for his or her complex schedule and then there are simpler PIMs that everyone else can use. ( I don't know, you make up the catagories)

B. So there are these partially functional PIMs we all now know about on the n800 and my guess is that Nokia is sort of hoping that one of them will work out enough to quiet enough of it's critics.

C. So, short of satisfying the business exec which we don't think is going to happen on this devise anyway, what level of functionality do the current PIM options need to arrive at to satisfy the rest of us?

It just seems to me that a 'real' highly functional PIM system is probably not something that Nokia wants to get involved in because of the complexity involved. So, you say it ain't that hard. Well, if it ain't that hard why is GPE taking so long? I mentioned Garnet VM earlier in this thread because it's working quite good for me. And again I guess it depends on what level of PIM you need. Garnet gets shot down because for some of us it's not working right. But if you read through the threads in the Palm section here you can see that quite a few people have it working. And I would remind you guys that the Garnet VM is a BETA. Why are we so impatient with it? It appears to me to do good basic PIMing by syncing between N800 and Desktop .

So maybe the thing to do is come to some sort of idea what we want in a PIM. It appears to me that between the lines there are much different ideas of what it should be/do.

I don't mean to be some sort of shil for Garnet VM. If something on the N800 was working better for me I'd be all over it. But I really don't think Garnet would have to go much further to have a basic stable, usable by the masses rather than the execs, PIM. As it is now, it's quite useable but ya, it's apparently not what it is on a treo.

So, what does a PIM need to be to satisfy your needs?

Neil