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Originally Posted by freemangordon View Post
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Include as in? Are you aware that right now there are only 3 active developers left in CSSU team (I hope luf will be back soon when he has his RL duties sorted out). Do we have a bug report (besides ppoll/pselect bug) that is fixed by libc2.10? Not that I don't want it to be included, but how do you imagine the process of "inclusion"?
Something like:

Aapo: Hi guys, here I have a .tar.gz for you. Please include it in CSSU. Bye, I have other projects I am more interested in.

(me, merlin1991 and Pali scratching our heads): Oh, wait, but who'll maintain that?

IIRC I stated a couple of times on the libc6 thread that (IMO) Aapo (and everyone else in that regard) is welcome to be a part of CSSU team. But being a part of that team does not mean to throw the source code and patches and to disappear (marmistrz, remember HARM sqlite3?), one needs to work hard, the same way as if this is full-time, payed job. I expect him to be reachable on IRC to discuss. At least this is what I try to do and expect the others to be like that. I see no other way to keep the quality of the code on the same level as of now. (Well, sometimes we fail with the code quality part, but only those who do nothing make no mistakes.)
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If it were so simple. From experience, both iDont and ade did everything they could to have their work (busybox-power and worldclock, respectively), included in CSSU.

Still, it's all for nothing - the former (busybox-power) wasn't included due to some random guy (not even maintainer of CSSU) having personal dislike for busybox (as a whole, not even bb-p!) *and* non-meritocratic influence on CSSU maintainer(s).

The later (worldclock) isn't included, due to idiotic ideas by *same* person - like creating special cssu-extras repos and holding back things like worldclock replacement until it's made. The problem? no one is interested in wasting personal time for creating and maintaining such useless additional repo, so it's on halt for... a year, now? At the same time, we happily have a camera-ui replacement in CSSU for *ages*, despite it containing radical changes, being buggy (see reports from at least last 3 months), and - as of late - unmaintained.

With such attitude, I'm no surprised, that there are only few of CSSU contributors left. If one random, rant guy (without any point nor expertise in matter of question) can block out two perfectly fit projects from CSSU, how it's supposed to attract new contributors?

Sure, (almost) everyone loves to use CSSU and respect people responsible for coding it's improvements, but as per maintaining, CSSU become hermetic, totally unfriendly-for-new-collaborators thingie.Even if CSSU devs - took one by one, personally - are friendly, helpful and nice guys. How this paradox could get achieved, is beyond me.

BTW - why the hell IRC availability should be requirement? Mailing list is too old-fashioned? Sure, I understand benefits of real-time talks, but being available *only* for active collaboration through mailing list (by active, I mean responding *usually* in <48 hours) shouldn't be a blocker.
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