@Estel - are you trolling me? Or just it is beyond your understanding what I talk about? lemme try to explain it once again:

bb-power - it was agreed that this will be split into 2 packages. no such thing so far. afaik.

adeclock - debian packaging was done just a week or so ago. by pali. not so far ade stated that he withdraws from the project.

IRC - you can't build a team over the mailing list. period. and as our contribution time is limited, we (or at least me) want our questions, requests, proposals, etc answered asap. ML just don't work for development.

And please, don't involve your personal war with doc here. You are well aware of what are the relations between me and doc, most of the time we are on the edge and sometimes beyond it. but we somehow (usually) succeed to contribute. I agree, it is wasted energy, but calling doc "noone" esp in the light of what he is doing for the community for the last couple of months is plain... stupid.

if you want any further conversation with me on the matter, please change your style. I won't participate anymore in conversation like that. if you want something changed, please do your homework. pointing at people shouting "he is bad, those are good but under bad influence" will change nothing IMO