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Originally Posted by freemangordon View Post
@Estel - are you trolling me?
Certainly not. My post was meant as constructive critic, and I hope for it to be seen like that.

Originally Posted by freemangordon View Post
bb-power - it was agreed that this will be split into 2 packages. no such thing so far. afaik.
It was demanded, not agreed, and AFAIK, iDont accepted that it's requirement, but isn't interested in wasting time to perform such operation (nor anyone else is. No surprise here, as such requirement is ABSURD with no plausible rationale, nor any example in CSSU itself.

Originally Posted by freemangordon View Post
adeclock - debian packaging was done just a week or so ago. by pali. not so far ade stated that he withdraws from the project.
AFAIK, ade wasn't packaging it for maemo repos, due to another demand from CSSU (due to hypothetical CSSU inclusions). He even made two version of worldclock package with or without new (optional) feature of showing seconds in main screen (another absurd'ish demand from CSSU). Then, for all months/years, nothing happened.

As for his "withdrawal" from the project - AFAIK (again), it's due to worldclock replacement being feature complete. Still, he offered to help, if bugs are discovered (which is what maintaining of finished projects is, isn't it?).

Originally Posted by freemangordon View Post
IRC - you can't build a team over the mailing list. period. and as our contribution time is limited, we (or at least me) want our questions, requests, proposals, etc answered asap. ML just don't work for development.
3/4 of historical Linux development seems to point otherwise, but I accept that you doesn't accept non-realtime methods.

Originally Posted by freemangordon View Post
And please, don't involve your personal war with doc here. You are well aware of what are the relations between me and doc, most of the time we are on the edge and sometimes beyond it. but we somehow (usually) succeed to contribute. I agree, it is wasted energy, but calling doc "noone" esp in the light of what he is doing for the community for the last couple of months is plain... stupid.
No war - In regards of busybox-power and worldclock replacement, I measure his level of expertise as 0. Or even under 0, as all he had to contribute about busybox-power, was his hate for busybox (mainstream) as a whole.

Contributions to other parts of Community are unquestionable, but sadly, it isn't related to problems with CSSU - how his influence on CSSU maintainer(s) hurt new contributions, and made CSSU unfriendly place for new contributors.

Originally Posted by freemangordon View Post
if you want any further conversation with me on the matter, please change your style. I won't participate anymore in conversation like that. if you want something changed, please do your homework. pointing at people shouting "he is bad, those are good but under bad influence" will change nothing IMO
I think I did my homework about busybox-power and worldclock replacement pretty well - those are only two projects that I was talking about, and I contributed to them (as much as my limited knowledge allows) for months/years, in many ways. I was also participating in every conversation re inclusions of those projects in CSSU, so I have seen all absurdal situations and whole "attitude" towards them, from first hand.

Considering, how our view on ade's "withdrawal" and busybox-power split "agreement" differ, I'm not sure if you shouldn't apply "do your homework" request to yourself. Still, if you feel that this conversation is useless, you're happy with current number of active CSSU contributors, etc - feel free to ignore all of the above.

Those are just my 2 cents of my view on origins for current "grim" situation around CSSU contribution numbers. It was ignored when I warned about such possible effects, when bb-p and worldclock repl. inclusion fiasco just happened - you can keep it that way, if you feel it fancy. Blaming it on "lesser interest in N900" is easier, after all - even, when some other Maemo projects are flourishing, and buzzing with activity.

Disclaimer/note:
Please note (from previous post), that I see *individual* CSSU developers, as super-friendly and competent people, whose contributions are awesome. It just seems to me, that project as a *whole* become unfriendly for new people (which is epic paradox...), and I see this as effect of unhealthy influence of *one* person from outside CSSU, on CSSU maintainers.

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