mikecomputing: think really hard about Linux Mint, and then say again there is no chance Ubuntu Phone will be fully open source.

firstly, Ubuntu Phone is already released, and it *is* fully open source go check for yourself. secondarily Canonical has been abundantly clear that the only closed components could be binary-blob radio or gfx drivers which are wrapped, loaded, and managed by the entirely open (and already released) Touch software.

I mean, come on.. Nokia were the ones that released 4 generations of Linux handsets and kept major UI/app/system components closed and patent encumbered... comparted to Canonicals unbroken history of releasing full source for *everything* they've ever released your baseless assertion looks even more silly.


would wayland be 2.0 already if Canonical's devs had all piled on to polishing it? well, it doesnt matter. this is Open Source and you cant force free people to do what you would like with their own time.

besides the entire point of the new generation of OpenGL display servers is to keep them as thin and minimal as possible, with only the *neccessary* controls on top.

wayland went slow and steady building on the lessons of X.. if mir can prove what works quick/and dirty then we have two sets of mistakes to learn from and both can improve in quality.