And yet in Q4 2010 NOKIA's gross margin was 29.2% compared with 24.4% last quarter. Here's another one for you: In Q4 2010 NOKIA's ASP was EUR 156, last quarter it was EUR 157. Despite making hugely more desirable hardware now than then even NOKIA's ASP hasn't increased in real terms. Plus this: In Q4 2010 NOKIA sold 28.3 million smartphones, last quarter it was 7.4 million. (and that's in a time period where the overall market has more than doubled in size) And just for good measure: In Q4 2010 NOKIA made an operating profit of EUR 884million, that compares to an operating loss of EUR 115 last quarter. You always see what you want to see, you always believe what you want to believe. - Tygers of Pan Tang There's a real possibility it will simply canibalise their sales of the high glamour iPhones just as the iPad mini has done to the iPad (iPad mini hasn't stopped Android overtaking iOS in the tablet market too). In Q4 2010 NOKIA sold 5 million Symbian^3 devices, if my memory serves me correctly that could only have been the N8 (which wasn't even released until the October). Any Lumia models selling that well yet? He couldn't, his puppet master wouldn't allow it. Oh, FFS This pretty well sums up how I feel about my country.