@Lumiaman The definition of winning could be considered as 80% market share, yes Apple has a great eco system, it was around before Android so it was a good starting place. I am holding off porting my apps to Android which will take a fair few months just a bit longer to see if QT becomes a viable option. FirefoxOS becomes a viable option Android IDE becomes nice Jolla gets there Javascript dies horribly in a heap Java dies horribly in a heap C becomes the worldwide standard It used to be ABC, Anything But Chardonnay Today its ABW, Anything But Windows Nokia comes to its senses and fixes this horrible mess rgds