@Lumiaman Maemo has succeeded, better to be 1 of the 5 happy users than 1 lonely person telling everyone how bad it is and how it can't succeed. It must be so annoying to you that it just is, given how petty you are beginning to sound, clearly a measure of how well it is doing without you. Clearly Windows phone is not doing it for you or you wouldn't have so much to say on a Maemo forum that has nothing to do with either Nokia or Microsoft. The fact that Maemo could not rise to the same heights as Android is a direct measure of how little Nokia understood open, so you are right keeping it closed through various mechanisms clearly had its effect, best then that they are no longer part of it. rgds