@Mike Curious? Where did I say everything "related" to Android, I am fairly sure I only mentioned Android itself and we covered that earlier. I can dig out the link again for you if you want to reread it?. And no not an Android fanbpoy, I do however fully support Open and Android certainly falls into that category as does Maemo nearly. rgds Here Mike, I dug it out for you to read anyway in case you are confused. http://source.android.com/source/index.html and since Androids success is directly proportional to Nokia and Microsofts total abject failure then it is relevant to this topic. cheers