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2013-08-22 , 11:35
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic View Post
Rrreally? I was web-developer, and I got sick of the speed of HTML5 development and the way it was done. (not using XML by default is just inexcusable, for example) Also, HTML is general simply sucks for application-like development. It was meant for text, and for that it's fine. But doing easy layout, consistent GUI elements, easy GUI development and interacting with the rest of the platform, that is still a disaster. And no relief in sight.
Qooxdoo.
In any environment, you can get tired of the way it is done. For example, I am annoyed that Qt applications attempting to use maemo's gtk theme have hard-coded paths to images, instead of somehow using GTK styles. But yes, HTML is not intended for consistent layouts. How can you get consistency across screens with different dots-per-inch, screen size, touch-or-not, multi-or-not?
Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic View Post
And low-end devices running Firefox? Hm. Yeah I guess at some point in the future even low-end devices are capable enough, but that point isn't now.
FFOS will bring that time closer.
Hmm... Give me an operating system and applications written in low-level languages and optimized for hardware, and they will run stunningly quickly on these 'low-end' devices, and be capable of complex calculations. It's not what hardware you have; it's how you use it.
Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
As soon as a server is down the app is non functional.
Sorry mike but that's complete and utter b0ll0ck5, web apps are cached and run perfectly fine offline.
To be precise, they would be then not web applications, but HTML5 applications. They can be written, stored and run offline, on localhost. Though it's usually more mixed than that.
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
also the fact that HTTP is mostly done as a one way communication protocol makes it less good in many ways.
Agree. That's why ConnectionPeer API can be found in HTML specification.
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
Also it makes we wonder why on earth people needs triple core CPU:s smartphones if 'everything is about HTML5 this days' why do we need that when HTML5 will make apps dogslow cause the app constantly have to request data from the cloud?
HTML5 or not, cloud-oriented apps are unfortunately ubiquitous. Like, weather widget, or mail client.
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
No, seriously HTML5 may work in many ways but there are a lot places it will not work.
The same could be said about almost any past or future version of HTML.
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
That's why I say its over-hyped. But developers are lazy this days and don't want to learn more low/mid-level programing languages and thinks HTML5 is soooo good for everything.
People often strive to find an interface where they have to make the least number of movements (mouse clicks, keyboard presses) to achieve a goal. If HTML developers were forced to write HTML code in Notepad-or-Leafpad, without any color-assistance, they would soon howl and for the other programming languages. Especially if they were asked to write down formulas in MathML - they would quickly say that Tex is better.
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
Not even in university in Sweden they learn anything less than Android SDK and HTML5 but nothing about low-level embedded Start make me wonder why the hell people bother to ask why Europe going down when the answer is obvious....
I understand and agree that people should learn more about how the Earth turns around. Why the tides happen? Which trees do acorns grow on? What's the difference between snakes and lizards? How are crocodile and tuatara different from lizards? Are computers more effective when their logic is 2-based or 3-based, and why do modern computers use bits? Why does global warming happen? Why do humans explore space? For how long can data be preserved on CD, DVD, hard-drive, flash-memory (like, USB flash drive), photographic negatives, paper, papyrus? What wars are currently going on in modern world? Which operating system is the most secure? Who was Leonardo da Vinci?..
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