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Originally Posted by felipec View Post
No, the board made the mistake of picking Elop, they couldn't foresee Elop would make the stupidest mistakes that every student in business school would avoid.
Seriously? After a messy history and hot on the heels of his Kin failure, they couldn't foresee that? Maybe they were too stupid to see that. I've also repeatedly pointed out over his tenure that I started to suspect he might in fact be clinically stupid, might be unfit for CEO duties and should seek some professional help. It would appear that the symptoms have proven themselves out. I can't see how they couldn't see it when I was already calling it so long ago just on the face of his own statements and his performance.

Originally Posted by daperl View Post
SELL! SELL! SELL!

Nokia Corporation (ADR) (NOK) Is A “Value Trap”: Deutsche Bank
I can still remember when the reply to my warnings about his failure were something along the lines of, 'They have plenty of cash to live on while they make the change of direction and switch to Windows Phone.' I seem to recall being told to give it a year... then it was two years.. and... we're still waiting. It looks like maybe they have another year to turn things around while Nero plays the fiddle and the burning platform kills everyone all around him. They've already lost so many customers, employees, assets... This failure is so complete and such a direct failure that I feel as if it was absolutely intentional. Just a gut feeling--but man, it really seems like it. All those jokes about Elop being a mole feel VERY tangible right now.

Originally Posted by cr0c0 View Post
Dude, Nokia may be "pumping them phones" but almost nobody is buying them. I keep reading your posts, and every time I wonder what are you smoking. The bottom line is Nokia is done unless they change direction, and as long as Elop is in control that's not happening.

There may be hope, as bookies have him as a favourite to replace Balmer at Microsoft.
Gates, Balmer and Elop are all on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the boat explodes into flames and sinks! Who survives? A: Nokia, finally.

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 View Post
This is something worth thinking about, I agree

When Elop joined Nokia there was a freeze on his shares beforehand, maybe this could be an early indicator if he does get the job? (if the details are published somewhere?)

I would also be interested to know the details of the MS/Nokia partnership too... It will never happen I know, but if there has been a clause where Nokia should remain with WP as a primary OS for a certain time frame, then he would not need to worry about how long nokia remain selling WP for?

As with most people, I would be happy to see Flop back in his Redmond cage where he belongs. And hey, who would not see the benefit of moving from one company that has 3percent of its market share to the company that has the dominance of Microsoft (with the pay check) and be able to nip home at the weekends?

There have been attempts at throwings the old anti-trust flannel at elops stance with nokia too (IIRC) but these deminished quickly. Kinda makes you think that the MS/Nokia partnership is Helium tight
Not to mention that it would be interesting to see what the regulatory investigators think about the idea of an ex-Microsoft employee becoming CEO of Nokia, COMPLETELY switching the company to the products from his previous employer... ruining them at the benefit of Microsoft at Nokia's expenses... then come back to get hired by Microsoft as their new CEO after Balmer. Those would be interesting discussions to hear--I almost WANT to see Elop be the new CEO. It would both provide more fodder for this mess as well as continue to help Linux's rapid rise in popularity.
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Last edited by danramos; 2013-08-31 at 07:59.