still too definitive a comment, you said people will get them, we arent just talking about the UK, zwer is in Serbia for example, plus, there have been several examples of the route going 'round the houses' so to speak, via different countries and taking far longer than the *ideal* quoted times mentioned by the courier, of course they are going to show optimal lead times.

we are talking about in practice, thats why i say the comment is too definitive, i also know that phones have shipped very quickly, but some have not, if all had, i could understand your optimism.

i will soon be able to let you know, if you are correct in all instances about shipment to the UK, as mine falls into that category and went into picking two days ago, thus in reality should have shipped.