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#36
Originally Posted by jcharpak View Post
But what do I know,
Almost as much or as little as I (don't) know, and you came to exactly same conclusions as I. Well, it's not about paying for the maemo.org domain, but that's basically irrelevant. Also not really relevant that usage of the non-distributabe stuff for autobuilder (if there even exists such stuff, which I doubt) is not revokable.
The question is: what can we expect HiFo to achieve for community - mainly regarding the topics you targeted. The little bit more I know from hearsay out of sekrit HiFo board negotiation circle makes me think that we most likely won't win anything we really need, but may lose quite a bit of what we already got, when signing any such contract with Nokia (something I doubt will happen anyway, since Nokia already gone poof and gave us a last order call for end of 2013). From my point of view it looks like Nokia is just trying to cover their a** by negotiating a contract with maemo at large that offers use of maemo.org only when we don't use maemo.org to e.g. host CSSU, something that Nokia themselves installed a few months ago and deliberately and explicitly fostered the project. I doubt they could legally "convince" us to shut down CSSU repos unless HiFo signs a contract that appreciates such obligation. What we gain in turn? A domain name and nothing else, aiui. Since nothing else in maemo at large that we use / provide right now is owned by Nokia, and quite obviously Nokia is definitely not willing to allow us to continue what they already stopped: provide the fiasco images and flasher. And it's up to anybody's guess when they will stop/shutdown the Nokia fremantle core repos, but once they do we for sure can't provide those either. Heck we can't right now, since Nokia isn't able to update their signature key that expired, despite much help from community on finding a way Nokia could fix this issue.
So again: what will we gain in turn? I'm not sure I'm willing to sacrifice CSSU for http://maemo.org DNS admin-c changing from "Nokia" to "HiFo". Rather I move the complete content of maemo.org to arbitrary other domain and if needed even other servers (yes we still *have* backups of that). The impact would be that every maemo device owner had to edit the URL in her HAM-catalogs, and all our google hits would point to /dev/null (we probably can edit the internal crossrefs of the site). And legally I couldn't move user database when HiFo doesn't agree, sinct that's no publicly accessable data and thus actually "owned by maemo-owner". TMO is a separate case and would need separate evaluation of what's not possible, since Nokia never owned TMO and thus it's clearly and 100% owned by HiFo already. When HiFo would sign a contract that includes an obligation to remove certain subfora from TMO, then community at large resp your council and techstaff can't do anything about that, TMO is hardly copy-able, only archivable.
I wish HiFo board would understand that community needs to know what HiFo tries to achieve and plans to sign regarding Nokia.

cheers
jOERG
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Last edited by joerg_rw; 2014-01-28 at 22:49.