And we needed this thread because? The topic definitely is misleading in contrast to contexts. Well, perfect example how whiners are always the loudest and haters gonna hate no matter what. Points to Benny1967 for making justified arguments, liked them. Hopefully discussion continues elsewhere on some other form than "me wants it, like I say I wan't it. Me, me,me" Sorry that I contributed even this post to this kindergarten level debate forum topic.