Hahaha There is no justification in my username. "endsormeans" From the commonly used statement ... "Do the ends justify the means? Do the means justify the ends?" Really the two are the same "thing" in essence ...separating them is almost impossible Justification is the 1st step on the very easy road to hell and perdition... The moment when it becomes necessary to explain and defend your reasons or "justify" your actions, stance, or behaviour to either yourself or others...then you are lying to yourself and/ or to others and trying to make yourself and them believe the lie. For a common example... A parent prepares to discipline and spank their child. To justify or attempt to feel justified in the inflicting of punishment... The parent quotes the age old..."This is going to hurt me alot more than you..." Justification . And the child even can see it for the lie it is... Genocide... Personal desire...greed... Wars... One of My personal philosophies in a nutshell. I believe if you intend on doing right or wrong ...just do it...don't try and hand my a steaming bowl of poo and try to convince me and tell me it's really yummy chocolate pudding... Evil or Good people...evil or good intent....just do it. Don't waste the breath...the time...especially mine. Not interested. Don't try justifying anything to me. Then I know you are honest. ...good perhaps... wicked ...perhaps.. doesn't matter... I like you... at least you aren't treating me like an imbecile. One of the very few things that makes me itch to start a serious beating. Explaining the reason why my user name is what it is... is one thing... But as per your question and my user name... for me there is no justification. Just yes or no... good or bad... right or wrong... Ends or Means