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pango	2014-08-31 , 21:12
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Voicing this opinion does what for the community? Does more for the individual than it wil do for a company or project.

Care to prove otherwise? From the outside looking in, it's one person with a very serious problem causing more harm than help everywhere this individual has gone. If there is so much evil in one company, start your own positive endeavor and lead by example.

I guess you are referring to fk_lx. In reality, there are multiple voices sharing the concern about lack of transparency from Jolla - and their view that it is negatively impacting things. Check no further than the IRC log a few messages back, several critical voices on Twitter or the posts from myself and some others in this thread (including jalyst's great post on page 3) where Jolla's PR is called into question.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Is constant negativity going to accomplish anything positive or just give a person an ongoing stage to say their rant without end? So far, that's the case and I've yet to see anything that benefits anybody but this ONE person.

Any one person is irrelevant as far as the larger goal goes. A more open, transparent Jolla has a better chance at keeping a much needed following going on. So goes the thinking, anyway. I must say I have been worried that Jolla's attitude is not the best community-wise and eventually it might start hurting them. People who voice this concern are not out to hurt Jolla. (fk_lx may by now be out to hurt Jolla due to his own experience, but that's really an exception and a result of their falling out.)

Originally Posted by gerbick

Care to prove otherwise or just unrelentlessly continue attack after attack? I see absolutely nothing positive from this continued posturing and aggravation from either side. Endeavor to fix things or shut the **** up.

I guess a lot of people would have loved to see thp engage in the discussion to get both views, but he has consistently chosen against it. That makes discussion hard. Some might argue that two adults should be able to talk, but who am I to say.

Originally Posted by gerbick

I've read enough. I've seen enough. I don't think anybody else wants to even see anything else but a normal, sane, adult resolution.

So where's the discussion with both sides in it?

Originally Posted by gerbick

Nothing else suffices; and I don't mean kowtowing to some obviously broken and egocentric, self-serving unnecessarily ongoing rant like some damn child that's throwing a temper tantrum.

You?

Originally Posted by gerbick

Offer to fix things or stop saying the same things over and over again.

That's the problem, though, how do you fix things if the other party shuts up, shuts down and refuses to do anything about it.

Still, all this hoopla about fk_lx misses the really important topic: How will Jolla continue to build a fruitful community following around it and attract both FOSS talent and contribution. Not by alienating them, that's for sure.