Pango, are you a politician? If not, I would strongly recommend you switch to that. I know some like you. You are so good in developing long sentences without anything much to say. You could mystify lots of people and pretend you know so much about how to run a mobile company, how to find the balance between transparency and closed-doors info. I am sure you could do that in so many subjects. And you can keep talking for long hours until your discussant stops or I must say abandon the idea of repeating himself the same argument again and again. I sometimes was thinking reading the thread: I should reply. But I admit I am not good enough against people like you. You have clearly win some sort of record to continue the thread even if everybody gradually leaves it, including the one you would like to talk to: the sailors. Really let me say: congratulations. You have a talent. The only problem is that in countries like mine, politicians have lost the interest of so many after having tried so many times to convince people with no substance. PS: I know already that you will say something like: "you do not understand, let me say my point again" and this is really funny