You're missing one fact: I'm not the only one in council who's bound to obey maemo council rules. win7mac can suggest to ignore these all day long (funny enough in first post of this thread he suggested a referendum to fix the discrepancies between maemo council rules and his 'general assembly' supposedly being the new council with all the duties and competences that so far were council's), it doesn't matter how long or how often per day he claims that MCeV 'general assembly' > council, it's not true, and NOBODY in council may follow this point of view. Voting me out of council doesn't change anything in this regard.
There's only ONE way to change maemo council rules: REFERENDUM. And I personally have my doubts about success chances of a referendum that's abolishing community voting about any maemo-related stuff based on maemo council and voting rules, and replacing it by a 'general assembly of regular members'. Where nobody can become 'regular member' without approval by some dudes inside that MCeV, and it may even cost money to be a regular member, as has been suggested in here. That's something *I* consider thoroughly non-democratic, elitist, almost totalitarian, and absolutely not "the point of contact for community to engage and show responsible or operate on communitys' behalf; democracy becomes live here" ( http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...70&postcount=1 ) We don't need such new place, we already allow everybody to show responsible or operate on communitys' behalf, simply by e.g. showing up in council meetings and discussing stuff with everybody openly there. No approval required. No fees charged. No forms to fill in.

The whole thing consisting of maemo community, council, and HiFo/MCeV been meant to work on cooperation and assuming good will. Win7mac is absolutely not demonstrating any good will when he tries to turn the general assembly - that been a concern from beginning and supposed to act in a way so it doesn't conflict with existing democratic structures of maemo (incl referenda and council elections) and the existing council (which manages such referenda and polls and executes community's will and propagates it to other entities like HiFo) - into something that replaces/obsoletes the community-elected council and is run by a few approved and paying ones (sidenote: do you think that's fair regarding poor students and community members who live in countries that have no access to paypal?).

...supposed to work on good will, cooperation and simple common sense: HiFo is liable so of course HiFo has last word as soon as legality of anything is the reason to voice up. As I always said: "HiFo executes what community told council is the thing to do, and council tells HiFo, and HiFo obeys (unless it's illegal). Same common sense applies when some issue like the "hosting of pirated stuff" happens. Council is supposed to deal with this and to stop it immediately, no matter of liability. When HiFo gets to know about any such issue, they tell council to immedately deal with it. That's even been agreed upon between HiFo and council shortly after community received the servers from Nokia, see HiFo meeting minutes. Of course when council would ignore HiFo or would refuse to act accordingly, then HiFo is free to take any other measures needed, like approaching TMO maintainer or maemo sysops directly, or even asking IPHH to take down the server and hand it over to HiFo.
What HiFo and MCeV are NOT supposed to do is replacing the existing organizational procedures, rules, and entities.

Best Regards
jOERG