You claim I attack you, when all I've done is lay out my side of the argument. Something you've yet to do. Then you insult me and try to imply I don't know things. Pot calling the kettle black?

I NEVER SAID NOKIA OWNS MIDGARD! That's YOUR wording. You keep saying things and attributing them to others, when it's only you saying it.

I said, rather clearly: the bundled system, that Nemien sold to Nokia (with service) that was then re-bundled up and shipped TO US was owned by Nokia. And yes, there was and still is PLENTY on that server that was custom. Everything from the skin, to the structure, to the linkages.

MidGard, out of the box, does not have:

• Linkage to an external wiki.
• Linkage to any form of auto-builder
• They have a CVS based garage, but nothing like what we have.
• There is no concept of "Karma" or ranking
• There is no linkage with vBulletin (TMO).
• There is also no pre-built structure, and only one basic skin.

All of those things, and the configuration put into them, and the scripts, and the stuff you claim "we 100% rewrote" (a pure lie on it's face) were a rebundled distribution. That entire package, as shipped, was and is covered under the LGPL and was owned by Nokia.

That's utter bullshït, and you know it. I'll site ONE example among many, just to prove you wrong. But EVEN IF IT WAS TRUE, fact of the matter is that we started with the system given to us, which was owned, in it's entirety, by Nokia. And our existing system is based on that derivative work, which they hold full legal rights to.

Karma, one of the items I worked on as TechStaff, and got 98% working again? I changed all of about 3 lines of code in the end to get it working. It was mainly a permissions issue and re-pathing. It took time to trace it all, but in the end the actual changes were quite small.

Karma is NOT available as a "plugin" for MidGard. It, and lots of other scripts, used or not still, were commissioned by Nokia. They don't need to include a "(C) Nokia" in the php to make it theirs. That's not how the law works. Again, an area you clearly don't understand, but claim to.

"I had MS Word running in WINE on my Linux box. I updated to Fedora, and *viola*, MS Word is now suddenly FOSS!"

You see how utterly dumb that statement is? The one above it is just as inaccurate.

Updating a FOSS component of a system doesn't magically transform everything on the system into FOSS. At a bare minimum, the skin, the logos, and the linkages with other systems that are custom to this site (including Karma) are still under LPGL.


And I explained to you that the "content" being referred to is quite well legally defined to mean the stuff we're typing into form boxes and posting into the forums, wiki pages, blogs, and the like. The code and other components created by Nemein are covered under LGPL, NOT the CC license.

Tell me, if the "All content CC" includes software, doesn't that include vBulletin? That's a commercial piece of software that we purchased a license for to keep TMO running. Even you admit that's not FOSS later in your rant. So clearly, that license is talking about content as user input on the site, not the code running the site.

You have a clear lack of understanding of what is and is not FOSS on this site. And yet:

Funny... Just two years ago you were unable to fix anything on the system, while I was fixing Karma, and the voting booth, and... But clearly, now, I suddenly don't "know the server". How does that sync with "correctness of claim"?

Lol. Airplane mechanic?

No. I'm a software developer, have been for over 20 years. I hold a degree from RIT, 8 patents (software/hardware systems mainly), and have worked at Xerox, Kodak, and Nortel. If you ever use a color digital copier from Xerox, you're using my code. If you've taken a digital picture, I helped make the system that produced your CCD. (Well, unless you bought a Fuji based CCD...)

I now write software that's used in aerial systems, combined software, firmware, and hardware, spanning PCs to hand held devices to embedded systems. I have occasionally had to go out into the field to help fit, install, and configure systems for custom "planes". But I'm far from an airplane mechanic, not that that's an easy job, by any means.

As for you handling copyright issues with OpenMoko? I'll let people Google that for themselves and see how well that project wound up. Not sure I'd tout that if I were you.

This is my favorite part:

You can't even keep your story straight for one paragraph, yet alone one post. It's not 100% FOSS, but it is, but it's not, but it is!

As for "Nokia providing the software", they didn't have to. Nokia paid Nemien for the software. Which Nemien created, configured, maintained, and had perfect rights to sell. Nokia bought it, and through paying for it and the service via a contract agreement with Nemien, Nokia has/had full rights to everything on the site. That includes custom parts written by Nemien as part of that work. Again, a VERY SIMPLE AND COMMON BUSINESS PRACTICE that you seem to not grasp.

I have to ask... do you have a mirror near your monitor? That would explain a lot.

I agree. On both points. Though I doubt the reasoning is the same behind the similar conclusions reached.