what do you suggest I could do? I joined this term's council on the premise/promise to "provide some continuity" which meant I planned to share a bit of knowledge how things got handled during the last years, and why. Obviously that's irrelevant to my peer-councilors. Seems instead of continuity they rather are interested in abolishing their own entity the council. How about asking *them* what they think what for they got elected? Also I don't see any significant number of community participating in this annoying discussion, so a few vocal ones can take over and determine the direction all this will move. According to my own definition of what's council, we probably actually should listen to the few shouters, then all step down and declare "you asked for it, you got it". Not even maemo council rules could stop or cure that. Somebody here said "'frowning' is no legal term" (OWTTE). Nevertheless I'm convinced Nokia will think twice if they are willing to finally sign any agreement with a legal entity that by itself obviously has no clue about own role and own liabilities and fights with what Nokia considers "the community"