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Originally Posted by chemist View Post
ZogG, after the first argument between you and jalyst I have spoken to him, so in the future he should add editorial notes if he does edit posts - if on the other hand a post is rude or reported, you better do not start a fight about a silent edit, rules actually have infraction points for you so if a moderator removes "bad" stuff without further notice and you did not get any points either, why bother? We are or at least should be grown up enough to admit to our own mistakes. If you supply links to the current situation I will have a look though.

Pichlo, iirc you have been complaining about such unnotified edit and while I understand that you want an explanation, the same rules apply to you, having a dirty mouth and getting edited because you get reported and do not get any infraction points for it should teach you a lesson. Bluntly my reply to your inquiry can be read as "shut up", yes, if you want to. I wasn't council and I find it offensive to go up the food chain without talking to me first. I took it first of all as a personal insult. I do not have hard feelings though. Never the less you are here again bloating about it. I have explained every detail there is, if you are still unhappy, so be it, that is what moderation looks like, you make a mistake, you get moderated - I will personally take care that the next time you get your explanation and your infraction points and no more silent edits - if you don't want special treatment that way let me know and we call this the year of moderation and I will take care that any moderation has its points applied to the users - just kidding, hope you get it now.

For both of you, if jalyst plays up, let me know!

Jalyst while you are here, you may explain yourself...
With all this long post you just justified any action moderate can do (let's say in passive aggressive way), but not trying to understand that anyone from both side can make mistakes.
After that you somehow assume there is ranking and that we are bottom of some food chain you invented (i do understand the logic, but as if someone is set to some post with responsibility doesn't make person in upper ranks and there are hundreds of users here who never were in any related position but contributed to community more than others). I don't think your polite "shut up" is better than any insult that moderator should change. I don't see why I as member can talk to anyone from council, especially as it's it's responsibility to try help solve problems users have, even meetings are public, but still you invent some chain and rank us

I don't think spelling or other things should be changed and only real spam, insult and such (e.g. my post that was deleted for word "fanboy" is not more insulting than calling someone bottom of food chain and tell them to shut up). English is not my native and i might make mistakes, and if you want to help me, you can PM me and i'll fix it, but do not kindergarten me, it doesn't feel the best way. Changing quote in post is even most ridiculous, as it can change the whole meaning of answer and as we know same words told other way can change the meaning.

Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
I'm really disappointed at the attempts to character assassinate here, I'm genuinely trying to do my job, nothing more & nothing less. I can't constantly waste huge amts of time on this sort of thing, this is the explanation I gave ZoGg, outraged again at TMO's bias against him (yes he's said that sort of thing quite a few times -not my words):



At no time have I been biased, I have only ever tried to ensure that the rules aren't being bent -too much. My conscience is clear, I know I did the right thing, like anyone though I'll sometimes make mistakes. As you've seen in our convo above, I'll try not to forget adding a clear explanation for every single post edit, if/when they're done.

The suggestion by some here (well, one really) that I'm behind every single poor mod decision (IYO) that's occurred, is just downright wrong, misleading, & extremely offensive. Please by all means some of you suggest a motion to have me expelled, if you think that's the fair & reasonable thing to do, it'll certainly give me quite a bit more free time.

Maybe one of you feel you can do a vastly better job*, based on your idealisation on how moderation should be done, & perhaps you really can. I very much doubt that though, as I take the responsibility very seriously (as one should), & usually ponder every single decision once & then several times. Amongst that I'll occasionally "err", I'm human. This is all I'm going to say, not subscribing to this thread, I honestly can't afford to waste one more minute on this, I'm sorry.

Have a good day.
*assuming you realize all the extra running around it can often entail
I just want to remind that you deleted my post just because there was "fanboy" in there which is slang word for some fans of product that try to justify anything, even "bad things" about product. It's like call person stubborn, but on other hand you use "ZoGg, outraged again at TMO's bias against him" where you even spell my nick wrong and it's okay, right? And then you assume that you can be better moderator than us, because in your opinion you are more responsible than us? Nice way, interesting how would you edit my post if i write than kind of things about any of moderator

And it's really not cool to post private conversation, especially only part of it and when in prev convo you explicitly asked me not to post publicly it. It's called hypocrisy when you do not like something and you even make actions against it and on other hand you do it yourself without blinking the eye.


I'm not trying to overthrow someone here or exile, i just see wrong actions in community i care about and feel part of it for past 5 years from maemo 5 era. And i do believe that if you do things you should do it right, doesn't matter if you a volunteer or not. As i understand it, i never asked to be moderator or council member(though i was offered by one respectable here council chairman(he was that time)) but reason i did not do it was simply as I know you need to do it proper, it's mostly not power but responsibility and time. I appreciate the work of moderators, the free time they spend here and all the mess they need do deal with, but on other hand it doesn't justify their wrong actions. Pretty fair and simple, it's not black and white.


I can be pretty annoying and talk on less interesting matters, but those matters we need to talk about and resolve them and i'm not afraid to raise my voice, I'm trying to be straight and tell what i think. When i had time i participated in meetings and tried to help folks in a ways i can. I never insulted anyone as far as i recall on this forum and i want to feel here as at home and it's not enough of fragmentation on the forums with some "elite" groups, but moderators and admins now feel free to change post coz of spelling, delete posts on matter of own view and they angry at you for pointing this out? I think slowly the line we passed is getting more and more far behind us! Just trying to think of it objectively, mostly this is the best quality you can find in moderator...

I had more to say, but most things ran out as i was not in reach of computer and it's not the text i feel comfortable to write on phone. I hope you get my point.
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