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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
...or that they need another delay, I don't see any reason to announce something.
Are you serious? So with that logic they can have as much delays as they want without telling? So after 2 years the Jolla will release tablet and it would be okay with you?


Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
Yea, and compared to Tablet or phone, it's way simpler. You really cannot compare those projects in any way.
True, you can't compare 3 indie people making huge project with HW and SW parts all by themselves, including some soldering (both manual and automatic, but at own place) with company who have employees, $$$, 3rd parties involved(who help with drives and HW), outsourced production (they do not manufacture or assemble parts, do they?)

Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
Partners get the relevant information, they don't get all of the information. I have already seen how excessive fixation on reporting and fancy graphs made once agile company go almost to death spiral and it was not fun to be on board at that time. So I don't really welcome reporting and announcements if there is a) cost for development and delivery and b) it doesn't add anything concrete, in addition to please couple of people. Getting the product into delivery should be the priority now, and it's also the wiest way to spend that crowdsourced money. At least I paid because I wanted the product, not some freaking reports every couple of days.
And did you get the product?
And again i don't get how writting once in 2 weeks/month post is spending money when they have people, whose actual job to do theat and they pay them salary, doesn't matter if they write post or not. And it doesn't involve developers. Even more, when one of co-founders finds time to give a TED-talk about community driven, opensource made by community tablet, which is mostly untrue as we see it now, spending money on that PR, but not to inform people who actually funded the project...

And you know what, Jolla actually told they'll write those post and even specific post about display details. But i think it's top secret now for reason as problem is not solved, or they want to write post after tablet released? I think not. Then if post is not here and no info, maybe there is no screen and there would be no July release?
Are you that sure that there would be July release? And if not, would it might be sept if not nov, as there are upcomming holidays.
And in your logic there is no need to inform customer that 2 month delay may easily can be 5-6 month delay. And i think Jolla has to tell on this matter. It's not week or two.
And believe me if it happens, they'll again appologize after they fail to see it, as there would be not 5 people writting post on how it's actually problematic, but whole angry mob and bad reviews on sites and blogs. So which is better for them? To make some small posts to inform now once in few weeks/month or to have huge rants and negativity after?
I do understand you wanted to mention that you was on board of some company, but it's irrelevant. There are a lot of boards in different companies with different people. And not all make good decisions as whole boards and not all members are useful (not a personal, just pointing out how it's irrelevant).
Stop thinking corporation, otherwise you get another android or even apple (afaik apple is based on *nix and use a lot of opensource projects, mostly bsd so they do not opensource anything, same as Jolla with their BSD licensed components. You see that they opensource parts they have due license and do not opensource parts they can, as in their model business like in Apple's one, opensourcing something is bad, they want mostly profit, and even play it as card "we are opensource lovers". But how long this game will continue? You can make profit with opensource products, i'm not asking 100% opensource, but at least something they can actually may use word "opensource" in all their cheap PRs)

Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
Well, if it¨'s really that bad, why are you here? Why not jumping on board with all those others who make and do everything way better than Jolla ever did and ever does?
i would ask opposite, why Jolla related stuff here, if Jolla declined to use maemo as communication platform. And here is FOSS, linux fans community with opensource and hacking spirit, that was way before Jolla, and i was member way before Jolla. So is it me or Jolla in wrong place?
I think i'm in right place and talking on right subjects in right way actually. Though if you don't want to see topics like that you can try to discuss and have constrictive conversation on Jolla based forums or other platforms..... Oh, wait... There is only mess TJS which is forum and FAQ and bugtracker and whatever monster combine it is
P.S. Not trying to hurt anyone, just little bit of sarcasm and actual facts to the point when someone tells me, I'm in wrong place, like it's Jolla private forum
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